Well, I proclaim to be a writer, so I can say with great confidence that what Derek said is correct. In fact, he told me the same thing.DerekEastham said:Ok,
I don't proclaim to be a writer by any means... but here's the way I tend to end my scripts.
Don't feel that you have to "END" it... just let it end.
Maybe your story dosen't "HAVE" to end... maybe you just reach a point at which the part of the story you're telling ends... but their lives continue.
So, my advice would be to follow your gut and just let the story end itself.
How can you call the Bible boring with all that sex and violence? Personally, one of my dreams is to make a series of movies of the entire Bible, completely uncut... those long 'begatting' sequences alone should be a lot of fun .There's only one thing that long, it's called the bible. And it's hella boring.
Exactly the point I was making...jodymichelle said:An outline can't plan a person into a corner because outlines can be rewritten. With or without an outline, nothing is set in stone because you are the writer, and you are the creator. If you've accidentally planned yourself into a corner while using an outline or not, you can get yourself out of it. Things can be reworked, rearranged, or thrown out the window. An outline, when used correctly to help rather than hinder, acts more as a "blueprint" than a list of guidelines.
What are the rules for writing a screenplay?DerekEastham said:Outlines are great... but they should be used in the same manner as the "rules" for writing a screenplay... with the exception of format, it's all just guidelines.
After reading your explanation, I see that I didn't know what you meant by that actually. I think I read an article about ten years ago by a famous writer in Writer's Digest, and he or she discussed "letting the story write itself" and "letting the story end itself." What that person meant (and what I can better understand) is ... that just means to "let go." When you're having a blockage, and when you're having trouble with, for instance, creating an ending for your story, just let go, it's not that serious, let loose, chill out and have fun But the story can't write itself or end itself, that's the writer's job.jodymichelle said:I think I know what you mean by letting the story end itself, but what about the climax and crucial scene?
But it's not necessarily as simple as that. Art is artificial, and it requires manipulating elements and format to get a reaction from your audience.DerekEastham said:As for the "let the story end itself" comment... what I mean by that is if you can find a natural ending to the story... a point when you no longer have more story to tell... then the ending wont seem forced, or fake, or weird... it'll just be "the end."
All I mean by rules... are the technicalities of writing for the industry... format (ie: tabs, font, etc.)What are the rules for writing a screenplay?
I wasn't apologizing for that though. (I also don't want the administrator to kick me out :lol: )DerekEastham said:No appologies necessary though... everyone has a different style... I think mine might be best described as free-form (to an extent)...
If that is what you mean by rules, then we were talking about different things and making different points.DerekEastham said:All I mean by rules... are the technicalities of writing for the industry... format (ie: tabs, font, etc.)
I'm not going to tell a person how to write, but outlines shouldn't be reduced to simply tabs, font, and margin size, or that would limit the purposes of using an outline. And anyway, the suggested format for submitting a manuscript is not necessarily as rewritable as one's own story outline.DerekEastham said:Outlines are great... but they should be used in the same manner as the "rules" for writing a screenplay... with the exception of format, it's all just guidelines.
Did you say the word, structure? Does that structure have anything to do with that mental outline? We understand each other now, but previously, you were talking about something completely different. You said:DerekEastham said:You're absolutely right about "letting the story end itself..."
It is the writiers job to do this... but I think we still understand eachother... that when you feel blocked, that it's good to just "let go" and write... see where your characters end up when you're ready to structure them again.
But it's not as simple as that. How does one find that natural ending? What elements does the ending need to address for the story to have closure and for the audience to feel there is atleast some kind of closure if not complete closure? And even if one can find a "natural" ending, what's the guarantee that it will communicate as "natural" and believable?DerekEastham said:As for the "let the story end itself" comment... what I mean by that is if you can find a natural ending to the story... a point when you no longer have more story to tell... then the ending wont seem forced, or fake, or weird... it'll just be "the end."
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